tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post2380995264821430128..comments2024-01-08T04:30:01.566-07:00Comments on 2nd Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: Sharon, Why Didn’t You Flee?B.J. Thompsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07327228353707623497noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-14806070988589500542018-01-27T14:33:41.803-07:002018-01-27T14:33:41.803-07:00Hi, Anonymous, thank you for your recent comment.
...Hi, Anonymous, thank you for your recent comment.<br /><br />First, Manson DID order the killings. There is ample evidence for said, and has been for decades. The "kids" would have had NO reason to kill that night. It was Manson who needed money to spring Bobby and the girls from jail. No, I'm afraid you need to do more reading to see the evidence behind the impetus for the Tate kill night. Also, it was always Manson, not the kids, who orchestrated the "creepy crawl" nights. They were practice Manson insisted upon so if there ever was a need to home invade for any reason, he knew they would be psychologically ready.<br /><br />Second, Tex knew Terry Melcher, and Tex had been up to Cielo a couple of time visiting a tangential friend who at that time lived in the Guest House. It was the father of a girl who eventually joined the Family. Both Manson and Tex had been up to Cielo and that's the very reason Cielo was picked. Manson knew there was money up there and he knew Tex knew the lay-out.<br /><br />Third, Bugliosi did NOT "make up" the Helter Skelter motive. It was culled from interviews conducted with various Family members, and was the over-riding excuse Manson used to get the kids on-board. He knew he needed something to gel them into action.<br /><br />Four, thank you, Anon, for informing me about the One Year Rule as per a California Parole Board authorizing release. I am with you whole-heartedly that this rule is torture for Debra and the LaBianca family. It should Not be allowed. I can only pray Jerry Brown will keep vetoing.<br /><br />I think you should consider doing a bit more research into the crimes so you have a clearer grasp of the motive and means behind them, Anon. You heart is generally in the right place but you're missing facts.<br /><br />The trials unfolded precisely how they should have, thanks completely to Aaron Stovitz and Vincent Bugliosi, and their process has been used in law school teaching lessons ever since.<br /><br />I continue to hope for what ALL the killers originally received as sentences - that they die in prison. Nothing less will be acceptable.<br /><br />Thank you again, Anon, for your comment.<br />Cordially, MsBurb<br /><br />B.J. Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07327228353707623497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-76232908980665132312018-01-27T06:12:46.670-07:002018-01-27T06:12:46.670-07:00I do feel that it was the killers idea, mainly Lin...I do feel that it was the killers idea, mainly Linda Kasabian who put the idea to go to Cielo that night and not Manson, even though he is one mean sociopathic man, but was just mentally ill, not as vicious as Tex Watson. So Linda, Tex, Sadie and Pat, did not know Terry Melcher the very quiet Candice Bergan. And shame on you Evangelicals who advocate for Tex's release, he can be forgiven but must pay the price in this life until he faces God, and feel in my heart, he will want to remain here as long as possible to avoid what he will face for his crimes against humanity. I am not an advocate of the death penalty, or an advocate against it either, it is for families of violent crimes to make those decisions for what is right for them, but remaining behind bars, away from the public, unable to make millions as a celebrity is not punishment. Its crazy, if you are a danger to society, and commit violence towards other human beings, you should spend your life in prison, treated humanly, but locked up. Tex Watson said in an interview that his living amends was to live a sober life as his apology to Doris Tate, /Sharon's mom, why would she care if he is sober or not, even though she passed, where was the real apology behind the scenes? And her daughters death took her life too, and so many family members. These were not just Hollywood celebrities, these were human beings. I don't think they are different people or rehabilitated in their hearts. Help out and sign the no parole for manson and secure information for our California governor and chime in.... it is time well spent, the past can't be changed, and the sadness of Sharon's death is the worst of any we know of, but you can help Sharon by helping her family keep these people behind bars, and focusing on the now and the future and helping the victims families. Please, it makes a difference. Leslie Van Houten recommended parole hearing was denied by our governor this month. And she will be up in a year because in California, if you get a parole board hearing recommendation, your hearings are once a year, can you imagine how horrible this is for the families that still live with this nightmare, the Labianca, the Tate family and the Folger family, put yourself in their position, then your heart will really break. And this legend of Charles Manson is turning into some very scary thing that fantasy and fear are taking young people into something that did not or does not exist. Bugluosi made the entire theory up for fame and fortune for which he received, for his selfish ambitions of lies....but what negative mark did he leave on our society for all this fear and sadness all these years:??? shame on Brad Pitt and Quentin Terintino got exploiting this story again as the sake of the vicims and their families for profit, shame on you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-34735159476275130322018-01-27T06:10:48.742-07:002018-01-27T06:10:48.742-07:00And there was no drug connections to Voy Tech and ...And there was no drug connections to Voy Tech and the Manson family. The alleged phone call came from the ranch to cielo, not the other way around, that could be to see if people are home as the plan was in motion. As for the blood issues and theories, its all bS, look at the living room, Sharon, was a kind and gentle soul, and beautiful, in and out, when the women came upon her they were filled with rage and jealousy, and it escalated their justification. Helter Skelter was a fictional children's nightmarish book the profited many by exploiting the victims as well as the killers. There is a new documentary, it was a combination of many things and there was no connection to the victims and the killers at cielo, except that Charlie visited the property in March of 1969 while Sharon was still there and was angry of being asked to leave, we don't know, and we never will, what I suggest where some of this energy should go is support Debra Tate and the families and the people she represents, which includes Ms. Folger;s family. Sign some petitions, write to our governor in California. It has gotten so liberal, and I am find myself in the middle, but it is a matter of time before Leslie Van Houten is released, I don't want her as my next door neighbor, Just something to think about as you read this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-36014640306709204622018-01-27T06:08:22.306-07:002018-01-27T06:08:22.306-07:00The word "context" is important to think...The word "context" is important to think about. A 1969 home invasion is much different then how the context of todays news is regarding this kind of crime. It is my opinion that it does not matter what happened to the victims, they died, and the focus of their loss or that of their families is never talked about. The ordeal destroyed lives and still affects all members of the familiesThey are all sociopathic and have never personally apologized to the victims families, except in front of cameras and parole hearings.behavior. The victims did cooperate, because it was unimaginable.Tex Watson, he is truly a mentally disturbed person. There are two theories, Linda Casabian mentioned the house, not knowing that Terry Melcher moved, or Charlie did order them there because of how he was treated in March of 1969 when he was thrown of the property for trespassing and saw the entire situation as the establishment, he did not know the new residents, how could he. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-41453345942021613522017-10-07T20:19:18.819-06:002017-10-07T20:19:18.819-06:00And yes, as Ms. Burb said, the impact of these mur...And yes, as Ms. Burb said, the impact of these murders was enormous. I have read that Doris Tate could not escape her deep depression for 12 years. Only the first round of paroles helped her move forward. Many accounts have revealed that she was extremely close to Sharon.<br />I always think about Paul Tate. Here he was, a man with three daughters; then his own name-sake, a baby boy, (in addition to his beloved first-born daughter), are violently taken from him and his family. So tragic. For everyone. H.K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07264602919279457074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-32617842899454203042017-10-07T19:59:46.324-06:002017-10-07T19:59:46.324-06:00Hi Anon,
Please forgive me if this has already be...Hi Anon, <br />Please forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but if I recall correctly, Roman gave Sharon's red Ferrari to her Dad, and the Silver Dawn Rolls Royce to Sandy Tennant; Bill Tennant's wife at the time. Bill Tennant was Roman's agent, and he first identified the bodies at Cielo, for the police. <br />Rudi Altobelli was the Owner of Cielo Drive. He sued the estate of Sharon Tate for the damages incurred to the property the night of the murders. He was also angry that Voytek and Gibby were living there, and were not named on the Lease as tenants. <br />You are correct; Sharon died with no will.H.K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07264602919279457074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-35514648587991680722017-10-05T15:23:19.071-06:002017-10-05T15:23:19.071-06:00Hi Anon,
To get the Big Picture view of these cri...Hi Anon,<br /><br />To get the Big Picture view of these crimes, that era and The Manson Family, you should begin with reading Vincent Bugliosi's book, Helter Skelter, as it's written from an investigative standpoint, Vincent being one of two D.A.'s who prosecuted the criminals. Your perspective will be better widened by that iconic non-fiction book.B.J. Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07327228353707623497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-43891104933922395392017-10-04T20:19:28.433-06:002017-10-04T20:19:28.433-06:00Is it just me, please tell me, or has anybody else...Is it just me, please tell me, or has anybody else taken the time to really understood what happened those nights, and all the stuff that happened and beyond, stop reading and pick your head up and say " did this really happened" my God is so sad. I'm saying it. It's so hard to rap your head around this. It makes no sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-15390920846327712742017-10-01T19:57:08.334-06:002017-10-01T19:57:08.334-06:00The real heartbreak of this story is " what h...The real heartbreak of this story is " what happens when you are getting everything you want out of life, what happens when all your dreams are coming true, then these crazy people come and take it from you. That is what happens to Sharon Tate and she never saw it coming. That is so sad!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-48766477655361297732017-09-23T20:40:05.474-06:002017-09-23T20:40:05.474-06:00Thr issue of whether Manson returned to Cielo that...Thr issue of whether Manson returned to Cielo that night- read my post on that here, link below:<br /><br />http://2ndofficialtate-labiancamurdersblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/return-to-sendercharlie-at-cielo-on.htmlB.J. Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07327228353707623497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-72688458717510534612017-09-23T20:32:52.892-06:002017-09-23T20:32:52.892-06:00If she didn't have a Will, it went to probate,...If she didn't have a Will, it went to probate, I assume, and maybe Roman pronably said to the Tates, Here you go. I think everyone was too traumatized to care, and her financial portfolio wasn't huge. I know Roman and the Tates were close. They probably just figured it all out together...B.J. Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07327228353707623497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-71439710666231719402017-09-23T17:46:54.585-06:002017-09-23T17:46:54.585-06:00Do u believe manson returned to ceilo Dr after mur...Do u believe manson returned to ceilo Dr after murders. It's hard to tell what's frue and what's bullshit. I believe why would he go back which must be fill of police by now, from someone who called in the disturbance. ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-5885926113597745662017-09-23T14:31:39.987-06:002017-09-23T14:31:39.987-06:00Yep me either, not implying there was just didn...Yep me either, not implying there was just didn't know if her parents requested. Having her parents executor of the will not a bad idea, however it seem kinda weird on the surface. Usually it's the spouse who gets late spouse eststeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-67391361717862902222017-09-23T13:58:34.396-06:002017-09-23T13:58:34.396-06:00I've not researched the victimology much, just...I've not researched the victimology much, just the crimes, but there again, this doesn't surprise me. Roman didnt need her money. They were renting the house on consideration to buy...why not have what she had go to her parents? I see no big mystery here.B.J. Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07327228353707623497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-58218491528939447052017-09-23T13:45:11.626-06:002017-09-23T13:45:11.626-06:00She had no will this I know for sure I could forwa...She had no will this I know for sure I could forward you some docs, one is Paul filing the paper work in Cali for head of Sharon's estate and roman sending Paul a official letter telling him he wants no part of her estate. Sorry, I thought everyone knew this. I didn't know why he gave it up so easily or maybe he didn't. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-35039135936324992382017-09-23T12:21:51.338-06:002017-09-23T12:21:51.338-06:00Hi, Anon...
I dont have the details but I assume ...Hi, Anon...<br /><br />I dont have the details but I assume Sharon had a Will, and she most likely had her parents as beneficiaries. She knew Roman was financially sound. Roman most likely agree because the Tates were an army family, not wealthy by any means.B.J. Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07327228353707623497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-801782151383589852017-09-23T07:46:10.684-06:002017-09-23T07:46:10.684-06:00Does anybody know why Roman gave up Sharon's e...Does anybody know why Roman gave up Sharon's estate, which seems to easily. Not saying it's bad or good, just seem odd. Was he to depressed, certainly understandable. Did Sharon's family request her estate. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-11108556691084956832017-09-21T18:51:26.712-06:002017-09-21T18:51:26.712-06:00The almighty sends an angel and we killed it. The almighty sends an angel and we killed it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-65221255026177956472017-09-20T23:25:35.967-06:002017-09-20T23:25:35.967-06:00Yes, I started this article with the What If becau...Yes, I started this article with the What If because we all go there from time to time...but I only discussed possibilities after the invasion began.<br /><br />Your suggestion for Steve Parent is one that an older, all-knowing Steve would have made, most likely modern day and not in 1969. Society is far more mentally prepared today. In the '60s, such crimes just didn't exist, that is why these murderers stirred so much panic in North America.<br /><br />And no one knows what we would do when facing the wrong end of a gun, at night, blinded by the dark, and it was dark in those Canyons at night.<br /><br />Steve did exactly what a shocked teen would. He asked who Tex was and begged not to be shot. His death came within seconds, not minutes, so there was no time to assess and react.B.J. Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07327228353707623497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-8122466203458000792017-09-20T19:34:02.019-06:002017-09-20T19:34:02.019-06:00This is the saddest story of murder I have ever he...This is the saddest story of murder I have ever heard. I was born just after these murders so I didn't experience the trauma from these murders. Actually I haven't really paid attention. I knew of but not the specifics. Until most recently I came across a book that had Sharon Tate picture on and I thought it was a model of today. I was quickly educate about her and who and her demise. She certainly had timeless beauty. So I went and gain more knowledge and let me say that once you start to understand everything about this, you can not put it down. One thing leads to another. Your heart just bleeds for Doris, Patti, Jay's family, parents family( side not, u talk what if, what if Steven gunned it and went through the fence or back up once he saw the gun, beeping his horn!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-50216251930955592652017-09-20T15:38:52.527-06:002017-09-20T15:38:52.527-06:00Yes, Paul Tate cleaned up the crime scene on his o...Yes, Paul Tate cleaned up the crime scene on his own, and no, no video.<br /><br />Attacking the killers doesn't raise the victims, it raises the killers. The Tates knew that.<br /><br />There were 5 murders at Tate, 6 if you count Paul Richard, but in '69, fetus deaths were not given a count of murder. Thankfully, that has changed.<br /><br />The LaBianca daughter was/is a born again Christian and I believe the family felt she lost her mind after her parents deaths. As far as I know, she no longer publicly espouses Tex's release. She has faded into the background since then.<br /><br />To my knowledge, the parents on both sides did not reach out. You must remember that 45ish years ago, such efforts were frowned upon by psychiatrists and law enforcement alike. This reaching out policy is very new to North American society.<br /><br />If you weren't born back then, you may not realize the trauma those murders had on society. Panic and rage were at the surface, and remained so for years. Healing, reconciliation were not even dreamed of back then; moreso, a need to collar, convict, sentence and forget as best as could be done. The overturning of the Death Penalty in '72 changed that perspective, and the victim's families have had to endure decades worth of hearings just to keep these convicted death penalty killers behind bars. Too much killer family shame; too much victim family outrage for there to ever be a meeting of the minds. <br /><br />I can sympathize with their times, Anon...most affected were just fighting to survive the damaging ripples of those two nights.B.J. Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07327228353707623497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-6449523258943424502017-09-20T15:19:20.998-06:002017-09-20T15:19:20.998-06:00Hi again, Anon...
Kids or no kids, men, women, ba...Hi again, Anon...<br /><br />Kids or no kids, men, women, babies...Charlie was, and still is, a severe paranoid schizophrenic, so his perveived enemy IS his enemy. No, knowing Sharon was pregnant, at that moment Charlie felt trapped...no, she's dead if it helps him break free.<br /><br />Roman arrived back on the 16th, if I remember, which is when that LIFE magazine shot of him sitting in front of the PIG blood-written front door took place. I believe he stayed at the Beverly Hills hotel. To my knowledge, Roman never lived at Cielo again. Sharon's father cleaned up the house and it was returned to its original owner. I believe all of Sharon's belongings initially returned to her parent's house, minus what Roman retrieved which I believe were some riskee films he took of Sharon that the LAPD took into evidence and quietly returned to Roman.<br /><br />As per the Folgers, I do not believe they have ever attended.The LaBianca family has as well.B.J. Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07327228353707623497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-78436413935553384042017-09-20T15:16:19.933-06:002017-09-20T15:16:19.933-06:00I read that Paul went to Tex Watson parole hearing...<br />I read that Paul went to Tex Watson parole hearing and described how he had to wash up Sharon blood. is that on video??. My God is that true. So horrible, u can't help but get watery eyes. How did he not come across the table and kill that trash. I would of no doubt!!After all the research I've down, I've noticed, except under rare circumstances, that it's reported there were 4 murders at the Tate resident. Seems to me they are forgetting Paul Richard Polanski, even today. Just my observation.I saw that leo and rosemary daughter advocated for Tex release back in the early 90's. That blew my mind, thank God Doris Tate. My question to u is does she still do that or has she given up or change her mind and now wants him in prison.maybe you know this maybe you don't, did the murders parents ever which out to the victims parents. I think if my kid did that I'd try and reach out to the other parents, to offer my sadness. That wrong? Your thoughts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-33673053110021330532017-09-20T15:06:11.982-06:002017-09-20T15:06:11.982-06:00No question Cielo dr would of happen no matter who...No question Cielo dr would of happen no matter who was there, my"No" was to killing Sharon because she was pregnant. I say that because manson said no, supposedly, to a house with picture of kids n it. What ever happen to Roman after the murders did he go back to the house to live and what happen to Sharon stuff. Also, has the Folgers ever been to the parole hearing. I know parent sister did and Jay nephew did. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-42819355125798364272017-09-20T14:40:13.693-06:002017-09-20T14:40:13.693-06:00Hey, Anon, nice to hear from you...
There's a...Hey, Anon, nice to hear from you...<br /><br />There's a simple reason why Charlie made decisions, good or bad, and it always had to do with how cornered he felt at the time.<br /><br />Tate would have happened no matter who was at Cielo simply because Charlie was enraged Bobby and his two favourite girls were in jail. He needed money to bail them out. Simple as that. Any other reason proferred is a load of crap.<br /><br />On the second night, I don't think Charlie's heart was in it, other than to hone his Family killing machine in the kids. So every time he came across an unknown house/church, he made excuses. He remembered the LaBianca locale from the party house he previously had attended. Again, that was an upper class area and he was fine with doing damage to well-healed people, as long as blood didnt directly land on his hands.<br /><br />My layman's guess on the Roman parole issue is that a wanted felon's word would not be admissable into such a hearing. But letters are always submitted into the Board prior every hearing and Roman may have, at one time, submitted said, especially prior his own charge of child rape.B.J. Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07327228353707623497noreply@blogger.com