tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post3157390519041074172..comments2024-01-08T04:30:01.566-07:00Comments on 2nd Official Tate-LaBianca Murders Blog: The "Katie" Enigma...B.J. Thompsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07327228353707623497noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-60811911315055364802009-05-28T14:36:56.666-06:002009-05-28T14:36:56.666-06:00Ok, very interesting, but I find it funny that at ...Ok, very interesting, but I find it funny that at the end it all seems to come down to bad parenting. I think that is much too simplistic, because if that's all it takes the world would be a much sorry er place.<br /><br />Besides, Pat's leaving her family, and the tough love her parents apparently offered her, happened over and over again in the millions around these parts back in those days.starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-14064423197008005182009-05-26T21:21:39.442-06:002009-05-26T21:21:39.442-06:00Complex PTSD? How does this differ from regular PT...Complex PTSD? How does this differ from regular PTSD?<br />I don't see anybody being able to face up fully to such madness and murder. I would think denial would be a normal part of the aftermath. Krenwinkle's father thought she had been hynotized and this seems to be the case. When you see Charlie doing those crazy dance girations and arm movements during interviews most people thinks this is proof of his insanity when in fact those movements are a form of hynotism called Neuro Linguistic Programming. Charlie put the whammy on Patricia. Charlie could talk shop with hynotists on the Strip back in the days. Charlie was into anything that he could use to control people. The key to being a cult leader is being able to spot born followers like Patricia and the other members. Sadie also describes Charlie's bizarre dance movements. She claimed he danced like no one else. Well he was trying to hypnotize Sadie with those bizarre movements.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7720104317349404654.post-56851677318889065742009-05-25T15:10:14.896-06:002009-05-25T15:10:14.896-06:00I appreciate your reasoned, intelligent examinatio...I appreciate your reasoned, intelligent examination. I think your gap in comprehension could be filled by reading a bit about the symptoms of Complex PTSD. Krenwinkel's memory gaps are consistent with the dissociation common to experiencers of Complex PTSD, which IMO Krenwinkel almost certainly suffers from. I would be curious as to the details of more recent psychiatric evaluations she may have undergone, as the clinical understanding of the specific effects of Complex PTSD is a fairly recent development in the field. I am not trying to promote sympathy for Krenwinkel, let alone lenience. I am only pointing out that her behavior appears consistent with this psychiatric disorder, and becomes comprehensible when viewed in that context. Krenwinkel, like all the followers, was vulnerable to Manson & Watson (who I regard as more of an instigator than a follower) because she was already damaged when she came to the Family. However, it seems clear that her Complex PTSD was manufactured after she allied herself to Manson.<br /><br />Remember that in Sanders' book (which unfortunately I no longer have onhand to consult) he relates that Family members were trained in killing for some time before the 2 nights of massacre in August 1969. There was apparently sadistic killing of small animals, for example. Being exposed to such "training" in advance of the murders would be enough to induce PTSD in the average person. It is relatively simple to then pile more trauma on top of the original imprint, thus manufacturing Complex PTSD. A result can be trauma bonding AKA Stockholm Syndrome, wherein victims develop a sympathetic bond with their oppressors. Also, never underestimate Manson's earlier training in Scientology, a mind control cult. In Scientology, a new recruit is referred to as "raw meat" which a skilled Scientologist may shape according to their whims by applying mind control techniques. Manson incorporated his knowledge of Scientology into his bag of tricks. His rumored involvement with the OTO adds fuel to the mind control fire, as the OTO "initiates" followers by artificially manufacturing trauma in the form of "psychodrama." Charlie was very into psychodrama. Add liberal doses of drugs to the mix...<br /><br />Of course, none of us were actually there, so we can never be absolutely certain as to our theories. Cheers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com